Weekend Guest Post: A Summer of Expectation

By: Ed | June 17th, 2011
   

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**This week’s guest post comes courtesy of Tony, who’s been commenting regularly as Tropics Red. He discusses the impact that the surge of young talent might have on Liverpool’s transfer strategy and the squad in general, as well as a look towards next season. You can get in touch with Tony through us at liverpooloffside@hotmail.com**

My main motivation for submitting a piece to the Liverpool Offside was to highlight that if our youngsters can become permanent reliable fixtures in the count for the Barclays Premiership Squad, then our transfer policy this season will be vastly different from that of previous years. In summers gone by we’ve not only tried to sign some top drawer players, but also a bunch of squad players either trading up in particular positions or taking a punt on a youngster or a free transfer. This year, we seem to have the squad in place, with our youth stepping up to the mark, which is also helpful particularly in light of the new “home grown” rules applying to squads.

There’s also a lot of hype around this crop of youngsters, and I wanted to discuss what qualifies as success for the up and comers. Likewise, after reading comments full of hope and expectation about our youth, based on their recent performances in the first team, I wanted to echo the ‘cautionary tale’ and provide a balanced view.

Finally, I wanted to review our tactics and formations used under Kenny Dalglish and see how the squad looks in light of that and where additions would likely be made based on fit rather than a ‘galacticos’ shopping list you see on many blogs.

A Different Type of Transfer Talk

With the new ‘home-grown’ rule clubs have to register a squad of up to 25 players, which must include at least eight ‘home-grown’ players, at the end of each transfer window. Now the kicker is that ‘home-grown’ players do not have to be English; they are defined as those who “irrespective of nationality or age, have been affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday” There is also the proviso that clubs can supplement their squads with an unlimited number of players under the age of 21. I believe that means Pacheco, Suso, Ayala and Saric would classify as ‘home-grown’.

So following on from this, what does that mean for Liverpool this year and will it affect our transfer policy?

youthLet’s assume the following: Glen Johnson stays, Jamie Carragher sees out his contract. Andy Carroll is new and Jay Spearing has just re-signed. Martin Kelly returns to full fitness and Jonjo Shelvey continues in the squad. John Flanagan and Jack Robinson are fully promoted to the senior squad. That’s the 8 needed to fill, plus potentially up to 4 of our youth players of another nationality coming through. Add to that the likes of Conor Coady, Andre Wisdom and Raheem Sterling, who are all well thought of in varying degrees, and you potentially have 15 ‘home-grown’ players.

That leaves room to be able to sell off Paul Konchesky, Joe Cole and Stephen Darby without too much concern over the ‘home-grown’ rule. It also means that if the club receives an attractive offer for the skipper, it can be seriously looked at. I say this in the vein of selling off your best players before they reduce in value (see The Tomkins Times article re: players ‘melting’). I am happy for Steven Gerrard to play out his days until a ripe old age if he is happy to accept a squad role to elongate his career (e.g., Ryan Giggs) rather than being the focal point of the team for each and every game, but I am also happy to consider him leaving the club if it’s in the best interests of the club.

As such, and most importantly to our finances, any transfer dealings do not necessarily need to contain over priced overhyped English players. Steve Clarke and Dalglish must really see Jordan Henderson as a future “first name on the teamsheet” to spend that amount of money on him when perhaps more established yet still young players would be available on the continent for that price. Kelly, Flanagan and Robinson’s promotion and competent displays may prove to be an absolute blessing for a number of reasons.

Local Lads Forming the Nucleus of the Squad

There has lots of talk about our current crop of youth players being the best since Gerrard and Carragher graduated, but I’d hate for us to pile loads of pressure on these boys. It’s all very well breaking into the first team early and having a lot of playing time, but this can lead to too much pressure, too much focus (particularly with all the televised games – you can’t hide) and too much opportunity to have confidence shattered (see a Cautionary Tale by Noel).

The point I’m trying to make is that whilst we would love it, we don’t need our current crop of youth players to be as good as Gerrard and Carragher – everyone comments on United’s crop of players back in the mid 90’s, but only David Beckham, Paul Scholes, Gary Neville and Giggs were standout. If we can have a crop of youngsters that turn out to be as good as John O’Shea, Wes Brown, Darren Fletcher, Nicky Butt, Phil Neville and Kieran Richardson then I’d be ecstatic, as it will mean we’ll either be able to keep them for a very long time as squad players counting towards our ‘home-grown’ quota, or be able to sell them off for a decent profit to fund better quality transfers.

Have They Got the ‘Liverpool’ Attitude?

As detailed in a post on A Liverpool Thing, under Bob Paisley each new player spent time playing for the reserves, time spent that helped determine “whether they were good enough to play for Liverpool but also whether they had the character to do so”.

We all know the story of Ian Rush’s transfer to the club and how long he spent in the reserves before knocking on Paisley’s door—to Paisley, Rush had been brought in with a set of talents that the club required and he passed a series of tests during his time in the reserves up until this point. He demonstrated the right attitude by getting his head down and responding to the feedback he’d received, so not only did he have the right technical capabilities, he also has the Liverpool attitude.

Whilst this scenario may not work for all young players, it certainly provides a balance to all those wanting to throw Dani Pacheco, Suso and Sterling into the first team just because they have a great deal of potential. They have to demonstrate the right aptitude across all facets, not just ones on the pitch before being given a chance.

hendersonThis not only applies to our talent in the youth set up but also applies to any transfers coming in. This summer we have the opportunity to sign the right players with the right character, winning mentality, football intelligence and ability to respond to feedback, rather than sign a player purely because of his on field attributes. The Liverpool Thing article references El Hadji Diouf as a signing that with a different attitude, may have been a much different player and a comment below the article also suggests that just because the player wants to play at the club, there’s no guarantee that it will work.

From the reports on the official website, Henderson has been signed with this attribute in mind:

Having spoken at length with Jordan, are you confident he’s got the mentality to be a big player for Liverpool?

Definitely. It is very difficult to believe you are talking to a 20-year-old. You think you’re talking to a 25-year-old. He’s very passionate about football, very committed, a top professional. He’s the type of player who’ll stay behind after training and do extra work. When you talk to him it’s not about money or anything related to off the pitch. Everything is on the pitch: where am I going to play, have I got a chance to play, where can I develop most as a player. Kenny and I were very impressed with that and his commitment and passion for the game.

Possible Formations and Transfer Policy

If our preferred formation continues to be 4-2-2-2 (or 4-2-2-1-1 as per Joel’s blog), the key would be players comfortable in possession, moving the ball simply – Lucas, Maxi and Raul Meireles (I’ll leave out Alberto Aquilani as all the speculation suggests his future lies away from Anfield at this point in time) would suit this system in midfield. Carroll and Luis Suarez have been deployed in this system in differing roles as pointed out in Joel’s article and Dirk Kuyt has provided an interesting option as an industrious poacher.

I suspect Meireles and Kuyt are square pegs in round holes when stationed in the attacking midfield position and that top drawer replacements will be sought to compliment Maxi, probably the only player naturally comfortable in this role. I suspect width will be provided from full backs, so attacking midfielders capable of roaming and looking to move inside to let the full backs overlap would be targeted. In that case, an attacking left back required, plus two attacking midfielders either comfortable drifting wide from an advanced more central position or wide men comfortable drifting inside are required.

A quick look at a few possible options:

4-3-3: Lucas, Gerrard, Meireles and Aquilani would be suited to this system of possession and movement. With our current squad I would expect Suarez (creator role) and Kuyt (poacher role) to provide movement from central positions or look to cut in from wide positions and I suspect Carroll would occupy a more central position in this type of formation. With width coming from the forward line and from the full backs, again an attacking left back would be required and there’s probably a need for genuine width in the final third similar to Pedro at Barcelona.

4-2-3-1: We have the forward options for this system, with Suarez as the lone forward with Gerrard in the hole or Carroll with Suarez in the hole. Maxi and Kuyt provide wide options, but particularly with Carroll up front, we’d realistically need two attacking wide men to provide quality delivery and support to the striker. A Meireles/Lucas combo in the double pivot has proved successful yet under Kenny, Gerrard has operated deeper with Meireles in the hole. With the acquisition of Henderson, it will be interesting to see whether this formation is used much.

3-6-1: An attacking left back and a quality centre back as Carragher, Martin Skrtel and Daniel Agger would work well, but the team would be exposed if one of them was unable to play.

The Squad and Its Needs:

Lastly, a look at who’s here, and what’s needed on the way in and out:

Goalkeeper: Whatever happens with Pepe Reina, Peter Gulacsi has been covering recently, but with talk of Brad Friedel and Doni, it looks like Gulacsi will be loaned out and a more experienced back up is being looked at. I would personally prefer to see Gulacsi given game time throughout the season in dead rubbers and cup games, meaning there’s no need to pay the high wages of an ‘experienced ‘keeper’ for back up. All the recent expectation is that Reina will stay, but in the event he leaves, we should be able to command a good price for him and therefore be able to replace him with one of the top young keepers making headlines.

Right Back: Johnson and Flanagan should be fine with Kelly able to provide cover. Phillipp Degen and Darby likely to be sold.

Left Back: No matter how good Fabio Aurelio is when fit, we have to move on from him and pick up a genuinely top drawer attacking left back, as the cover we have in place would be more defensive minded. Robinson is more of a traditional left back, Johnson a natural right back, and Agger/Wilson as natural centre backs doing a job covering. However, I’d also be interested to know what Kenny’s thoughts are on Emiliano Insua. I liked him as an attacking left back, but of course he had his critics and on the surface, not a particularly impressive time out on loan. If we were limited on cash, with the cover we now have here, I’d accept keeping Aurelio and rotate him, Insua and Robinson in this position if it meant funding a world class player elsewhere. Aurelio and Konchesky to be sold.

Centre Back: Skrtel and Agger to be first choice in order to look to the future. Carra providing experienced rotation with Kelly, Wilson and Ayala getting as many games a plausible. One or all of these may be loaned out, certainly Ayala has been and I’ve seen ‘paper talk’ of Danny Wilson heading back over the border for a loan period. This could decide the Greek’s fate with a year to go on his contract. A top drawer centre back to be brought in as a long term replacement for Carragher, given this season to settle in slowly. My pick would be a ball playing centre back as Agger makes such a difference when he’s in the team, but so injury prone too. Krgyiakos to be sold (or not according to conflicting reports in a single BBC Sport article http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13801498.stm )

Centre Midfield: Gerrard, Lucas, Meireles as first choice centre midfielders. Spearing, Shelvey and Pacheco as the cover – both sets in the creator, passer & destroyer mould to varying degrees. It would be nice to have Aquilani added to that as a top class midfielder to throw into the mix particularly considering Gerrard’s age and recent injuries. If he is to be sold, then a pass and move young midfielder would be added to the shopping list as Shelvey and Pacheco are too young to have that burden thrust on them. Since writing this, we have purchased Henderson, so if I’m anywhere near Dalglish’s wavelength then it’s assumed Aquilani is leaving! Cole and Christian Poulsen to be sold.

Wings: Kuyt and Maxi are currently deployed, Kuyt more of a shoe in rather than his natural position. Maxi drifts inside which works well in a narrow 4-2-2-2. Both should be kept and rotated with two new top drawer signings. Milan Jovanovic and Nabil El Zhar to be sold.

Forward: Carroll, Suarez and Kuyt offer a nice balance of different styles. David Ngog? He looked promising under Rafa Benitez, but now looks Championship standard. My preference would be to sign two wide men capable of playing in the striker role the way Ronaldo has done. This way we get the wingers we’ve always wanted as well as additional cover up front. I’d hate to see Suarez pushed out to the wings because I feel he is so much more dangerous when he’s central and in front of goal.

This is the summer to put the pieces of the jigsaw together and not concern ourselves with shoehorning players into roles that are not their main strength. With the youth players coming through providing a good squad, it means the focus doesn’t have to be on quantity.


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  • Ibrahim

    How do you guys feel about Ryad Boudebouz, that guy from Sochaux who is supposedly really good?

  • Not LFC class, though good for a mid table team in EPL.

  • Tropics Red

    Don't know much about him, but he looks like a wing/attacking midfielder, lefty and only 21.
    Plays for Algeria, transfer talk of around 4m, would be worth a punt, but I wouldn't be expecting a world class player arriving.

  • Dirk Kuyt Industries

    Raheem Sterling!!!

  • Tropics Red

    Definately one for the future and wouldlove to see him blooded this year as a sub or in a few 'dead rubbers'.

    Same goes for all of our youth really, not wholesale changes just to give them game time, but strategically to give them experience and test their skills and attitude.

  • AdamSonOfIstanbul

    Not many games are going to be dead rubbers next season.  Kenny and I  are both eyeing some silverware next season.  Obviously the League is the one we all want the most, but a good run in the Carling/FA Cups would be nice.

    That said perhaps a loan for Raheem might be a good move.  He is still shockingly small for the Prem or any senior action.

  • Tropics Red

    Absolutely, with no Europa League it reduces the number of games, particulalrly 2 leg games that is hady for this type of exercise.

  • Tommy smith's nose

    I have the same nervous tic redtrev!!!

  • Tropics Red

    Me too, (coughs) (tic kicks in), Hazard (coughs) (tic kicks in), Hummels, ahhhmmm. that's cleared it....

  • Griffin

    I would personally like to see Kenny run a 4-2-1-3, with two attacking wing-backs, with the Meireles + Lucas duo, having a set-up man roaming the upper mid (gerrard/adam), and then you have three roaming strikers playing right up to the line(Carroll staying more central). With options like swarez, kuyt, and (mata!) it could work.

  • Tropics Red

    When you look at the attributes of the squad and the conditioning they received under Benitez, I believe the 4-2-3-1 is the most suitable formation (at this moment in time) with Suarez as a mobile CF with Gerrard supporting from AM (player of the year in this position a couple of years ago; most goals seen from a partnership with Torres since Collymore and Fowler I believe!). Kuyt has proved to be a fantastic "defensive winger" and all the calls are for a LW - this is just a nailed on requirement!! Add to that the Lucas/Meireles double pivot, and the 2nd missing piece is an attacking left back.

    The only drawer back in this formation is Carroll - Suarez can certqinly play in the hole, but then Kuyt is not famed for his crossing ability. Of course Gerrard can whip in a suer ball and was certainly very effective there when played there a while ago now by Rafa.

    For me Gerrard needs to be played in a position where his strengths can be maximised. He arrives late in the box, has a super shot on him and looks to play quick one twos in the final third/edge of the box. In the 4-2-3-1 he could play in the double pivot, but I think he's best in the hole or on the right depending on who's up front.

    Meireles and Lucas are excellent movers of the football. I think they could become a better partnership than Alonso/Mascherano; not as good at dictating the tempo of the game like Xabi was nor as good a destroyer as Masch was, but both have better all round games and Raul is certainly more mobile than Xabi was.

  • cheekyfellow

    Hmmm, i like that. If you want some young fire power, keep Mata (can't assume we have him yet though!) and Henderson for Kuyt. 

  • I think Ngog should not be sold and he does not look Championship material of late. He scored many vital goals in the absence of Torres.

    We should definitely buy Wickham. I dunno if someone is realising this or not but ManU have been hijacking our deals for the past many years. But this year it looks we are giving them a free run at players who have been rumoured to a move to anfield. They hijacked Valencia, Vidic etc etc..
    Never the less I want quality rather than just simple English players. Why adam? He is useless.
    Buy mata or hazard or buy Affellay, he will be cheaper as compared and all three are awesome though I would love to see hazard in red.

  • Tropics Red

    I'm based in Australia now so don't see the games live. Therefore you may have a better chance of evaluating his overall contribution in games. I suspect he would benefit playing in a side set higher up the pitch; he certainly didn't look too flash under Woy and simply based on minutes on the pitch, he doesn't seem to be in KK's plans.

    What are Wickhams qualities? As I said in my piece, with 4 strikers on the books, I'd prefer to see a winger who can operate as a forward; I suppose someone like Sanchez and Hazard fit the bill of players in that mould.

    I absolutely agree that quality is of paramount importance this summer aloingside some building for the future.

  • Wickham is quick, has good anticipation and is tall. Check out some of his videos on youtube. He looks good. Though I would prefer buying him and loaning him back to Ipswich or somewhere else for a year and keep Ngog and monitor his situation. 
    But since he doesnt seem to feature in Kenny's plans I think we cant do anything rather than cash in on him. Plus I think we have to stop pursuing the likes of Nzogbia, Jarvis et al, they are Woy standard i.e Mid table standard. 
    We should look for class. Sanchez's fee is too much, though he is pretty good. 
    We desperately need a winger before our pre season kicks off so that he can adjust to the team better.

  • Tropics Red

    and the gamble is picking up "a Sanchez" before they prove themselves to be worth that soprt of money - I beileive that's what we've done with Henderson ; far from the finished article, but all expectation that he could be in the England set up for years to come.

    I'd heard of Neymar, Ganso, Sandro, Lukaku, Sanchez, Hazard, Muller, Badstuber, Pastore way before they had had good seasons or good world cup deisplays that have put them in the shop window. Unfortunately for each of those names is a player who 'should have made it'.

    We've not unearthed too many gems in recent history, whether that's through bad luck or bad management, I don't know....

  • I totally agree with you. Have you heard of Lucas? The no 10 Brazilian under 23 captain who plays alongside Neymar. I think Neymar's skills and his sudden rise to fame has overshadowed him but I swear even that boy is class. Youtube his videos. He is still 20 if my memory serves me right. Then there is that sparta prague striker kadlec. even he is a prospect for the future. Heard of david alaba? Plays for Bayern Munich was on loan to Hoffenheim. He is another brighter. 
    I think most importantly we need to sign a commanding Centre Back. Carra cant give 38 league games at this age at his mercurial best. We need to sign a 25-26 year old centre back who has a bit of experience has a bit of ball playing technique( dont get me started on Carra's hoofing the ball in the air) and most importantly I keep my fingers toes everything crossed for Daniel Agger. I just love the lad. He is my idol. Commanding Centre Back, has a killer left foot and is calm and composed. I want him to have an injury free season and kick Vidic's sorry shit laden ass. 

  • Tropics Red

    I am certainly aware of Lucas and 'paper talk' of us being in the chase for his signature in the region of 9m! Can't believe everything you read. I am also aware of Kadlec, but not so much and I've feetingly heard of Alaba.

    Absolutely agree with your thoughts on our CB situation Carra is 33 now and whilst he's never had pace, its hard to justify building a defence around him. Like all players at this age, unless they are hugely influential, they are only blocking the team from being rebuilt, so I'd like to see him used less and less so that we can blood in a new player whether than be a new transfer (coughs, Hummels) or one of our younger lads like Wilson, Kelly or Ayala.

    Love Agger too, but if he has another injury blighted season I really think we have to seriously look at his contribution. Squad rotation is about fluency and making the right changes at the right time - it's not good to have to chop and change becuase the boy s seeming ly made of glass....

  • Hummels would be great!
    Not too sure about Dann (plus I have just observed that people who say they are LFC supporters since childhood play bad or at max okay for us. e.g Bellamy)
    Wilson or Ayala aint ready right now. We should sign an established CB because CB should be a no nonsense position. I mean we somehow managed without a winger and a striker but a good CB is a must. 
    Hummels,Rami look good. Cahill would be okay kinds though English. Again I would really put pressure on the fact that quality should be paramount rather than nationality.

  • Tropics Red

    Again I would really put pressure on the fact that quality should be paramount rather than nationality.

    Exactly - as said in my piece, we have enough "home grown" players to not have to worry about Nationality.

  • Prad

    Great summary of where we stand Tony. Thanks for the analysis, though i have to disagree with you about potentially selling Gerrard if we get an amazing offer for him.
    I know lfc is a business that must act in it's best interest, but I don't think the club should even consider offers unless gerrard himself wants to leave. The value of what Stevie G means to the supporters and to the morale of the club is monumental and easily worth a few tens of millions of pounds. Plus, I think it would be a mercenary attitude that is not the Liverpool way if we didn't have some respect for loyalty.
    Most importantly, he's still one of the very best midfielders in the world, people sometimes forget that because of his injuries the last 12 months. He himself talked about his groin being better than it has for years, and I expect him to be one of our best performers next season.

  • Tony_blenkinsop

    Replacing your best players before they can't perform to the level that makes them so valuable is nothing new mate. It's what all the successful managers do when rebuilding sides and Paisley was excellent at it. No-one is bigger than the club and in 5 years the supporters will be chanting someone else's name who has taken up the mantle of club saviour/top marksman/vital playmaker or whatever will be the next attribute that propels a player to that status.

    In my time, I've seen Kenny go from legendary player to player manager - when that happened I was gutted cause I knew I wasn't going to see him on the pitch as much.

    I've seen Barnes drift into centre midfield at the latter stages of his career, seen Fowler get sold and in the next couple of years I'm going to see Gerrard sold or more likely see out his career at the club.

    As I said in the piece, I'd like to see him see out his career at the club, but based on the commercial aspect or plans to rebuild the team, then I'd understand if he was sold.

  • redtrev73

    Great read Tropics. Nice to see another Redman who's happy to focus on the real positivity and potential that is bubbling nicely to the boil under Kenny's stewardship instead of lusting after every bit of available 'talent' on the market....that said, for god's sake Kenny buy Mata noooowwwwww!!! Sorry, that just happens sometimes......

  • mardia

    Glad we're not signing Marveaux, but you really have to wonder at Newcastle moving in for him--but then, what with the messes over Hughton, Nolan, and now probably Barton, it's not exactly out of character. Anyway, last thing LFC need is another player who's always going to be injured.

  • Tropics Red

    To say Newcastle have had a few ups and downs in the last 20 years is a huge understatement. If any of you were too young to remember the mid 90's you should try and get hold of the fantastic games we had against them.

  • Bgurakan

    Marveaux has gone to Newcastle presumably for more money and an easy life - good luck to him. Great news.

  • Tropics Red

    Don't want to comment on his ability or potential, but if he's failed a medical with us and taking Aurelio and Agger into consideration, then not signing him is a wise move.

  • Griffin

    good overall summary of the LFC. grounded assessment, instead of the all to common "we need Aguero, Coentrao, Ashley Young, and Sanchez" posts.

  • Tropics Red

    Aguero, Coentrao and Sanchez would be perfect though! ;0) I'd add Hummels and Hazard to that list and dream about 19.......

  • Tropics Red

    Thanks Griffin. the speculation element of any transfer period is something that I doubt will ever cease to amaze me.
    I started making a list of all the players we were "linked to" and after about 3 days had filled an A4 lined leaf; add to that the type of reporting provided by the BBC = "Sotirios Kyrgiakos set to extend stay at Liverpool" which contained the paragraph "But, he could still be sold with Liverpool set to strengthen in defence."

    We've been linked with Marvaeux for how long now? And according to reports he's signed for Newcastle. It's just incredible how much speculation exists with no reprisals as to the journalists credibility. 

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