Rumour Mongering: Ba, Bent, and Any Other Striker You Can Name

By: Noel | January 9th, 2012

Last summer, Liverpool rather famously spent big on players who created chances. To many, they paid far too much for far too little and the results haven’t lived up to the expenditure, but regardless of whether one agreed with the approach at least there was a clearly identifiable approach: Find the Premier League players who created the most scoring opportunities and then start throwing money in their general direction. Now, with Liverpool failing to put away most of the chances they create, there is a major expectation that the club will be going after strikers. Lots and lots of strikers…

Demba Ba

The French-born Senegalese striker—by way of Watford, Belgium, and Germany—moved back to England last January with West Ham following a failed medical at Stoke City. That it was his second failed medical following an earlier one at Stuttgart, with his knees being the concern in both cases, had left many clubs hesitant to chase after Ba despite his consistently prolific scoring record in three countries and allowed Newcastle to snap him up.

Beyond the lingering injury concerns, Ba also has a spotty history of engineering frequent moves, refusing to train with Hoffenheim to force his move to England and then triggering a release clause to walk from West Ham on a free when they were relegated. Still, with Ba entering January number two in league scoring behind Robin van Persie and rumours flying that the transient Ba’s buyout with Newcastle is a mere £10M, it seems inevitable that he would become linked to Liverpool—or just about any club in need of a striker. The fear for anybody interested in the player will be obvious, with his knees and that he hardly seems to stay put for more than six months at a time bound to raise concerns, but his scoring form would seem to speak for itself and suggest that at only £10M, somebody is going to bite and—if the player is willing—trigger his buyout.

For Liverpool, though, in need of a short-term solution at striker as much as a long-term one—and with Ba’s long-term prospects murky at best—the biggest argument against signing the player might well be that he will be gone until the middle of February representing Senegal at the African Cup of Nations. Despite persistent rumours linking Liverpool to the him, if they’re looking for help up front Ba hardly provides an instant solution.

Darren Bent

The 27-year old Striker from South London^* has been the most well-known English name linked to Liverpool over the past few months, leading to a split between fans who look at his scoring record in the Premier League—one goal every 2.4 games—and see a solution to the club’s scoring woes on one side and those who see an overvalued poacher and target-man on the other. No matter whether one thinks Bent would help Liverpool achieve a top four finish this season, there’s no question that with three and a half years left on his contract and having only arrived at Aston Villa last January for £24M, he wouldn’t come cheap. Villa have always been a club that excel at maximising their return in the transfer market, as Liverpool fans will well know from the failed Gareth Barry transfer saga and last summer’s purchase of Stewart Downing for £20M—the most the club has ever paid for a non-striker and fourth behind Andy Carroll, Fernando Torres, and Luis Suarez on the overall list.

Looked at in that light, it’s difficult to imagine a world in which Darren Bent for the £25M or more that he would cost represents anything approaching good value for money, but a bigger problem might be that there doesn’t actually appear to be any Liverpool interest in the player. As least not that Alex McLeish knows about.

It’s not frustrating, it’s just the transfer window. People like to speculate and use social networking sites and they are having a field day. If there is anybody out there that wants him they certainly haven’t contacted me and Darren has said on the record he wants to stay at the club.

Whenever I have asked anyone outside the club I’ve been told flatly ‘No’. I have spoken to Kenny and he said there was nothing in it.

Right. So Bent doesn’t want to go, his club and manager don’t want to sell, and Kenny Dalglish has told McLeish they aren’t buying. Which probably means he’s signing on Wednesday.

Roberto Soldado

He’s Spanish. He’s at a club known for its financial troubles. He’s the top scorer in La Liga who doesn’t play for Barcelona or Real Madrid. On the other hand, Liverpool is hardly a northern Spanish outpost any more and Valencia is the soundest financially they’ve been in years. That still hasn’t stopped rumours of Liverpool interest, as Soldado joins the likes of of Juan Mata, David Silva, and David Villa on the list of players rumoured to be heading from the Mestalla to Anfield, with the latest being that Liverpool has contacted the Spanish side to at least gauge interest as they consider a formal offer. In the end, however, it seems a move no more likely than one for the likes of Gonzalo Higuan or Edinson Cavani—it just so happens that Soldado has swung back around to flavour-of-the-month status while the rest of the unlikely targets are taking their turn in the shade.

Bafétimbi Gomis

Another name, another striker—no matter the rumoured target, that Liverpool are in search of a finisher above all else appears to be the one consistent. Also, similarly to Bent, Lyon’s Gomis is seen as more of a poaching target-man than a fluid creator in attack, and it’s likely fair to say that the arrival of either would be bad news for Andy Carroll at Liverpool. In Gomis’ case, the late-blooming 26-year-old has only recently begun to shift the conversation from one of idling potential to potential stardom, and some Liverpool fans have even used the club’s rumoured interest to further argue the need for patience with Carroll.

However, when it comes to worrying about Gomis, the fact remains that he isn’t yet the finished product, and despite clear signs that he is a massive talent there are concerns over a playing style that can at times seem lazy and disinterested—much as is the case with Darren Bent. Much has been made of the player being a similar age and having a similar scoring record to that of Didier Drogba when he moved to England from France, but the fact that he appears to have many of Bent’s shortcomings while scoring fewer goals for his club in a lesser league than the Englishman would suggest that the only advantage—at least outside of foolish hopes that he would magically transform into Drogba if signed—would be in him carrying a lower transfer fee.

David “Junior” Hoilett

He’s young, he’s English (or at least English-trained and from a commonwealth country), he could cost the kind of money most clubs would pay for an impact starter, and before the transfer window opened most people outside of Blackburn wouldn’t have known who he was because he’s not the kind of player likely to make an instant impact at a bigger club. Which, going on early returns, absolutely screams Damien Comolli and FSG’s Liverpool, because given a couple of years the 21-year-old Canadian winger is expected to more than live up to whatever transfer fee Blackburn demands for him—a number that can go as high as £18M depending on who you ask.

So far this season Hoilett’s started 17 games across all competitions, appeared off the bench twice, scored three times, and added five assists. He has also handed in a transfer request and as a result was left out of Blackburn’s FA Cup match on the weekend. That he is unhappy enough over what he sees as a lack of future opportunity at Blackburn to submit a written request may be enough to drive his transfer fee down into the single-digits, at which point that he’s not a player yet ready to lead a club into the top four becomes far less of an issue. He won’t make or break Liverpool’s season, but if they can get him on the cheap he’s a promising attacking prospect and exciting name for the future who fits the club’s methodology.

Luuk de Jong

21-year-old Dutch striker de Jong, who has already scored 39 goals in 71 starts for FC Twente (with 14 goals in 19 this season), quickly became the January must-have for every Liverpool fan keeping track of the rumour mongering in recent months. Things became even more heated when rumours began to leak out that de Jong was eager to head to England. Then he was rumoured to be attending a Liverpool match. Then Damien Comolli was heading to Holland. And then nothing, as all of a sudden word leaked out that FC Twente had changed their minds, going from open to the possibility of selling the payer for the right price to dead-set against it for any price short of batshit insane. Some will hope that this move is nothing but a negotiating tactic from Twente, but with almost no new news on de Jong since 2012 began it seems as though this is one transfer that’s no longer even on the back burner, even if it’s the one that people were most excited about at the end of December.

^* He’s from Tooting, to be precise. Look it up.

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Redman

the problems do not just lie with the strikers. Big Andy doesn't get many decent crosses from the wing. So unless people expected him to score a hattrick of diving headers, tactically its not working. And Adam just does not cut it for me. Not as a quick fix or in the long term. i'd rather stick agger in his holding role that watch him embarass himself.
5yearplan

I think we should be more looking to another wide midfielder than a striker, we lack pace in my opinion, downing is misfiring and Bellamy, god bless, aint as young as he used to be.
A pacy winger who can fit in with the pass and move groove, lets concentrate on building a team rather than buying star players

But if I had to pick one of those mentioned I have been a fan of that man Soldado for some time.
ejbauer11

I'd pay Crossbar, Post or even Woodwork a good 25mm to play for Pool the rest of the season. They certainly have not been on our side thus far.
Redarmy

Before you know what you want to add to team, I think you need to find out what you've got in the short and long term.
The back 4 is the perfect example - solid experienced starters in the best footballer age and young and hungry backups at every position who will sooner or later force themselves into the lineup.
In midfield the reverse is true. You have a 19 year old like Shelvey getting his first games for the club, a 26 year old scot who's in the best footballer age but not exactly 'solid' and a bunch of 30+ players who are what they are - which is not part of a long term plan.
I think the most important thing for our future, no matter if it happens in January or in the summer, is to find a plan for how we want to build the midfield and some kind of balance for the whole team, in terms of playing style, players complementing each other and also in terms of a similar age group, so that the team can grow together, so that we can eventually stay away from unmotivated and expensive short term 'solutions' like Adam or Downing.
AJ

In fairness, before Lucas' injury (quietly sobbing now), we had that. I actually was starting to see the lineage of players in varying ages ala Barca in the way the midfield was being laid out: Jonjo/Hendo being the "future"/Thiago Alcantara-types (Coady would probably join that group next season), Lucas/Adam being Iniesta/Fabregas and Gerrard/Maxi being Xavi (I know you are all reasonable people, but I do want to note that these comparisons are in age and not so much in role/skills). Essentially, we have a nice midfield that, barring Lucas' injury (crying again), yields depth and age variance...mitigating, hopefully, the pains that generally come with transfers/retirements, etc. Where we lack that depth is actually in the forward roles. Notably, we lack a center forward that sits at the prime 26-28 age. We have Andy and Suarez at 22 and 24, so just shy of that age (meaning...best yet to come?) and then Dirk who is mostly used out wide now. I think that the plans are being laid to return to an identity...a branded style of play that is clearly Liverpool football. With the strength of the Academy and moves that are meant to shepherd young, "home grown" talent, I'd say we're on the right track. And as Noel rightly pointed out, the reasons we spent on Adam and Downing were to create chances...which they have. We simply lack the options at center forward to have given Suarez a rest (when his form dipped) without turning to Andy Carroll knowing that he's a work in progress.
lfc80uk

Still think Liverpool should go for Lille Striker Moussa Sow.Sow was the top scorer last season in Ligue 1 with 25 goals and 3 assists. He has also scored 6 goals already this season. I am also sure that Lionel Messi aka Joe Cole has told him many nice things about Liverpool!
Redarmy

i don't know, we never buy that type of player - he has Arsenal written all over him, like Nasri, Chamakh, Gervinho...
Very_Angry_ Brand

OMG....Worst FA cup draw..facing MU...hmm....
jpr

Don't be too angry, it's at Anfield. And the wheels are falling off Rio Ferdinand as we speak.
Very_Angry_ Brand

Ya..I know It's at Anfield...but...Never Mind...Just hope that the lads can kill the F***ing Devils.
Danny

i would, personally, in all honesty, prefer to have peter crouch back than pay good money for darren bent. sorry.
purify_the_body

Soldado would be perfect for us -- he is as clinicial in front of goal as our current group are comical -- but there's very little chance any side will go for it. Valencia would have to give up their leader in goals and minutes played, the star that has led them to a comfortable 3rd place so far. He is their only goalscorer and after him the next highest has 3. Not a chance.

We would have to pony up 30m, accept Carroll is going to the bench permanently, and pay a gigantic salary because Soldado would be asked to leave his hometown and the comfortable CL place. All of these are VERY unlikely...which is a shame, because he is an ideal partner to Suarez up front and signing him would quickly elevate us to serious CL-spot contenders.

Ba is not quite as interesting, certainly cheaper...not sure he's worth a 10m punt for 10-12 league games, but in the absence of other options? Why not. No bid until the last day of the window, though, in case he gets injured in Africa.

Hoilett is a nice player and we would be wise to compete with Tottenham for him.

Would rather have a quality midfielder of any sort than the rest. We need pace, technical ability, and scoring prowess above anything else.
Ryan

You know, we could save ourselves a lot of money by just bribing the transfer scouts and financial knowhow people at Newcastle to work for us. Cabaye could be making our chances while also filling in for Lucas, Carroll could blossom his career without 35 mil in pennies tied around his groin dong (thats why he so slow 0_0), Enrique would have been here during the Aurelio/Insua/Robinson/whoever-the-fuck-is-left-over era, and Demba Ba would be whispering sweet nothings to Mrs. Buttersworth. But none of that matters-who cares, we have Comolli and he rapes you and we are happy about it. I would say we could throw a youthling out there, but the sucky thing about Andy Carroll is anytime we play someone younger than him, the media makes a big deal and then Liverpool is racist again.

Why the Kalou rumours can't be about Liverpool instead of Arsenal I will never know, but for all the player swooping Chelsea have done to us, I'd like to see us sign Kalou. For the amount of time he gets on the field and for the amount of time he's been at Chelsea, it's surprising that his goal ratio is so high, even more so when you learn that he's got all those goals from the flanks, and his main position is striker.
Geoff Twentyman

He was linked with us a couple of months ago.

Fowler, I really hate this time of year.

All the bl00dy speculation. All the paper talk.

You can type in any player's name and see heaps of website links with a handful of clubs linked with a player

LFC linked with ABC. ABC to move to Chelsea. Man U target ABC has hinted at exit. ABC Agent confirms Real interest. City look to add ABC to squad. Arsenal in talks with ABC. Inter coy on ABC links....

Arrrggghhh, you twisting my melon man.

BUT we all love it as well don't we.

MMMMmmmm, I think I'd buy Messi, he'd suit our playing style.
Ryan

The real question: is ABC british?
Geoff Twentyman

If he is, he's overpriced and overated.
Baldrick

I understand LFC are being linked closely with a Right Winger...I just hope it's not Nick Griffin we're in deep enough do-do on that front as it is!!
5yearplan

funny , questionable taste but funny
NotTooXabi

I do maintain the following: The Lucas Gap is much more dangerous than the Goalscorer Gorge. Spend on some serious midfield steel. Someone who will allow a combination of Henderson/Gerrard/Adam/Jonjo to have free(er) license to get up in Suarez's aesthetically-challenged grill. Along with Maxi, Bellamy, Carroll, Kuyt and the Morgan/Sterling Little Kids' table, there are goals in them there hills, I say. Goals, Jerry!

Take care of the gaping hole in our Leiva and invest in a defensive midfielder. I'd rather solidify the base and let the chips fall where they may up front. If we can't get sufficient goals from the talent already on hand, then we've got a much bigger challenge come this summer. That's my story. And I'm sticking to it.

Until I change my mind or we actually sign someone...
Scotty

I like the look of Luuk De Young :) But something tells me his club want the chance to potentially showcase him in the Euro's before selling him.

I would rather we make the right purchase at a later date than making a hasty decision in January.

I fear we'll sell Suarez on in the summer if we get a good offer for him. Unfortunately his life is going to be hell at every away ground come February. I wouldn't blame him if he wants away be then.
Suarez from the car park...

That's why it's been so important to show him total undivided support.
ejbauer11

I'm going to pretend the transfer window isn't happening until an actual player is purchased or sold.

In other news, Thierry Fucking Henry. Unbelievable. My head is going to explode if he an scholes occupy the pitch at the same time in that upcoming fixture.
Ryan

I don't know, I'm scared that all this Home Town Buffet bull shit with the old grannies is just going to trick Liverpool into thinking Michael Owen is the solution to all our finishing issues. Or Torres, because he at least plays like he's in a wheelchair.
ejbauer11

Michael Owen is dead to liverpool. I refuse to believe they would let him come back. I can't talk about Nando in a sane manner so will refrain. Know I've said it before but still can't watch highlight videos: too upsetting.
Parkje04

When he scored, sound had feel. Crazy stuff.
ejbauer11

Truth. You could hear the stadium explode. Surreal stuff.
Neb

It seems to me that most of the transfer rumours surrounded around the fact that we absolutely needed a new striker not just because of the lack of goals scored but primarily it was due to the Suarez ban..he will be half way through that ban in a weeks time, and so it appears to me that the rumours were all wrong. How can Suarez's ban be the real reason for getting a striker if we haven't got one 10 days into the transfer window.

I am all for an instant bandaid fix, except of course when a bandaid does nothing but help fester a nasty smelling infection, which is basically what we'd get if we bought some of those players linked with us. I am all for the jokes about Damian's van full of lollies and ice cream, but the philosophy is the right one, Liverpool as the owners have said from the outset, are trying to build a dynasty, which is far more appealing than the quick fix solution.
Ryan

Except that the games during his ban happen to be our only shot at winning trophies this season, and our only alternative is 1 out of form striker. I see no better way to keep our best player at Liverpool than to hand him a trophy alongside another ambitious talent. As much as I am sure he was overjoyed to learn that he would be playing with relegated Charlie Adam and mid-table Stewart Downing, he deserves something a bit more, seeing that the closest players to his caliber on the squad are either in defense or over the age of 30. If Suarez is a nasty infection, then by golly I have AIDS.

Besides Darren Bent, every player Noel mentioned is either young enough and talented enough to build a dynasty with, or totally affordable in the terms of a band-aid fix. Soldado is a bit of a stretch, but I don't consider him a band-aid if he can keep us in the top 4 for 3 seasons while Andy Carroll matures and we cash in on Champions League money. The only smelly infection I can see is the not even slightly ironic fact that we are the only team in the Premier League not fighting relegation to have less than 3 strikers, and our goal tally is just as high as those fighting relegation. Or, to be honest, an English infection, which is probably the only one you can get that is cheaper to cure than to spread.

If you've been reading the comments here a while, you should know that I'm not trying to be a dick and I'm only suggesting that we really need another striker, Suarez or not, and that the players listed above are all great options. Cheers.

EDIT: Suarez can play in FA cup against Manchester United, so trophy hope is not lost. Also, another clarification, I mean we need another striker WITH Suarez AND Carroll, for I have high hopes about this dynasty idea as well.
lfc4eternity

Sorry Ryan, but Suarez can't play in the FA Cup against Man U, unless there's a replay....unlikely?
Ryan

Ya I caught that as soon as I posted it. Hard to see him able to make an impact on his first game back in such a hostile atmosphere, but this is also the man who scored on his first shot on goal in England while jet-lagged.
Neb

Hey Ryan,

I have no doubt that it would be great to have another great striker on board, I was merely suggesting that in what I had read on the players we had been linked with, a lot of the so called journalists claimed Liverpool would be in the market simply because of Suarez being banned...and that to me at this point does not seem like a viable reason to go out and buy someone new...and for me Bent is a great goal scorer or at least has shown himself at times to be a great goal scorer but he would be the kind of bandaid fix I am referring too...I would honestly rather get ba for that price being quoted by the oracle himself.
Ryan

I getcha. Like I said, after reading what I wrote, I thought I sounded like I was picking a fight, and I'm really not. And actually after reading it again, ya it looks even worse, sorry bout that. The media is spinning the Suarez ban into a reason to print more transfer nonsense about Liverpool. I do see the need for another striker, Not the 30Mil type striker some are thinking, but I want a good deal. A cheap and dirty poacher who's good enough to give us options when we need it over the next 2 or 3 seasons. but if no good options show up now, I hope to see one in the summer.
Red2death

... but we do have another striker - Craig Bellamy.

And another one - last season's top scorer and former Eredivisie ace Dirk Kuyt.

And Maxi who's our new Meireles in the useful goals department.

And also this guy called Gerrard who's popped in a couple in his time.

Basically, yes Suarez is going to be missing and our current number 9 is about as effective as Chelsea's. But we have options without buying.

If we're sure we can get an Aguero or Suarez type that can fit right in and make an instant impact, then sure let's get him. But if not, would rather continue the long-term building, which means equal importance to:
1) Some sort of alternative to Lucas in case shit happens again
2) A good central defender, because Agger's continuing fitness for a whole half season is a miracle we can't keep relying on (ditto Skrtel's form)
3) A world-class forward, in case Andy takes another season or two to come good.

And of course if that means we buy no one at all in January because of the inflated prices, then so be it.
Ryan

I know who's on the squad, we do have goalscorers, but not the Higuain/Torres/Welbeck style 2 to 1 ratio striker.

I think there might be some confusion on what age and what price the type of striker I'm talking about is. I'm hoping that Liverpool are looking for someone who is young enough to build around, and cheap enough that he won't bitch about being benched behind Suarez sometimes.

I understand the reasoning behind getting a backup to Lucas, but isn't that what Spearing is? There is reason in getting another central defender, but isn't that what Coates is? My point here is that the squad does look strong enough on paper, but you cannot just assume that Kuyt will instantly start scoring again, Gerrard will stay fit, and that Bellamy can keep up his form at his age for another 5 months straight.

No one will be behind this squad more than me if Dalglish makes some big tactical changes over the next month. Then I will be happy we didn't buy another striker, or at least strength in another department. But his lack of innovation this season is my main reason behind wanting another striker. I don't doubt the man's ability to manage Liverpool, but the squad was having the same problems against Manchester City that it had at Sunderland on day 1. I'm ignoring the 5-1 against Oldham, because there is no things are going to change because we beat someone in leaguenumberwhatever. The only major changes in the lineup has been the dropping of Carragher and letting Bellamy start. other than that, the formation has changed and the players have played in different ways, but obviously nothing has changed.

So, summary: "better get a new player or start using the ones you've got better". Hope my opinion makes a little more sense, coming from another person who is red to death.
lfc4eternity

Where I agree with both red2death and your fine self, we also seem to lack any real pace and/or penetration behind on the flanks. Bellers has been superb for the most part, but we have not got what we've paid for in Downing (crosses for AC).
Carroll needs crosses pulled back from the by-line to get a run onto, (without stats in front of me pretty much everything he's received for his head has been a diagonal going forward to him, thereby allowing defenders to be facing the 'right' way...i.e. away from their goal)
They have to be turned around more and that means getting beyond them on the wings with the cross being pulled back.
I think AC will come good with the right service, so I'd add a creative pacey wide midfielder/winger to our needs.
Momo

Play Gerrard at right like we did in 2006 and you'll see the difference.
Danny

play Gerrard at right like we did in 2006 and his groin would probably explode though.
ejbauer11

Second in all respects. I know it's John Henry's money, but if it's not hazard or his ilk, let's rely on the team growing and shoring up with better buys. We're a season from beautiful things and Kenny will be harshly judged if they go spend money on a "quality" (overpriced/potential downing) stopgap player. I want nothing more than to see him win the league w gerrard at the helm.
Geoff Twentyman

We should have bought Hazard last year before his stock rose again. Same with Gotze.

It'll be the same with every new 'the next so and so'.

Hazard and Gotze will go to bigger clubs (in terms of recent/current success, not a project like ourselves) with more money (oil money) than us.

My idea is that we have to buy them before everyone starts watching them too closely and they get too big a reputation; then perhaps loan them back to their existing club (i.e. Draxler at Schalke were he's developing nicely) and prepare them for the move.
redtrev73

Amen to that Edward.
Suarez from the car park...

lol, "Damien's Van full of lollies and ice cream".

A cross between The Omen and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang - dark indeed.

So would you plump for young Junior? Can't say I'm crazy about it, and wouldn't fit the 'must buy in January' bill.
Waiting for Sterling

Sinclair and Hoilett. Both english, both cheap and both within binocular distance of Comolli's van.
PDubz18

Lol Hoillett is Canadian.
jpr

Same thing. Except for the journalists.
Suarez from the car park...

As with Carroll, they would do not a lot for the immediate needs, and as with Carroll, we should have waited at least till the summer, and let the barcodes get his fitness sorted out.

Thing is, I reckon because the barcodes play through him, the way they do Demba Ba, he would probably have still looked excellent in their team and we would have still overpaid for him in the summer!

Here's raising a glass to Carroll's left foot. May it swing freely in the vicinity of a pigs bladder on a regular basis. Starting Wednesday!

GOOOOO AAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYYYY (not Murray).
Momo

According to uncle Arry the release clause of Demba Ba is less than £7m, something around £5m which has angered the officials at St James Park.So if can act swiftly and make a daylight robbery that would be the best deal of this whole transfer window though Ba would not play for us during January.

But I'm still convinced such a move for a proven striker of the EPL would save us time and money for the remaining games of the season,I
mean (Ba+Carroll) is the best combo we can afford right now. (30+goals)
at £40 m for both.Best way to cut the losses with Carroll who no doubt
will be kept on his toes by Ba.

And if you remain skeptical think
about it where would you find better than BA “a Boiling Attacker” to
power on our ACDC “Andy chilled device Carroll”?

The only residual problem is the insurancescoz we all know they won't pay for his scrambled knees if God forbid...
Geoff Twentyman

If you could pick him up for $5m, then you cuold write the cost off over a season!
Suarez from the car park...

But not the wages. Eeek!
Suarez from the car park...

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