League Cup Quarters, Forgotten Triumphs, and Other Friday Notes

By: Noel | October 27th, 2011
   
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Luis Suarez doesn’t suck any more, though if you follow his press clippings he’s probably still a diving cheat or worse. And Liverpool can score again. Or at least Suarez can. Which will be important when the club faces off against you know who and some club or other that doesn’t really matter except for the fact that he just happens to manage them on Saturday afternoon. That, however, is for later. For now, here’s what’s being talked about from a Liverpool point of view…

* With Liverpool defeating Stoke at the Britannia on Wednesday in the League Cup, the quarter-finals await. The matches themselves won’t come around until the end of November, but this Saturday before the next round of league games kick off will see the draw for the club’s next opponent. Unlike in European competitions, the quarter-final draw in the League Cup doesn’t set the final two elimination rounds, and so should Liverpool make it through the next round they won’t discover their semi-final opponent until after the next set of fixtures.

As for who they might face, Arsenal, Chelsea, City, and United all join Liverpool as the big guns in one of the most competitive quarter-finals in recent memory, and no matter how the drawing goes on Saturday at least two of those clubs will be paired off—with at least one guaranteed to go home empty handed from the next round. Joining the heavy hitters from the Premier League is Blackburn, currently adrift in twentieth, with Championship sides Cardiff City and Crystal Palace rounding things out. Palace currently sit in fourth there, with Cardiff three points behind in ninth.

No matter how the draw shakes out, a prestige pairing or two seems inevitable, with plenty of possibilities for the press to salivate over in the meantime—like a chance for United’s redemption against rival City or a pairing of London powers Chelsea and Arsenal. Or, of course, if you’re a Liverpool fan and feeling pessimistic, there’s always the possibility of a visit to Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge, or perhaps a double header against City with Liverpool set to host the newly rich Manchester side immediately before the next round. If it does end up being a trip to City for Liverpool while United host one of the three lowest ranked opponents it will be hard not to cast a dubious glance at the FA’s supposedly random drawings. Realistically, though, if one were in the mood to suggest conspiracies, then given the names involved there are just as many attractive matches to be engineered by the FA that don’t involve Liverpool as ones that do. In any case, after playing out the League Cup on the road so far, it would be nice to see Liverpool at Anfield no matter who they’re matched up against.

* At least he’s not as bad at it as Wayne Rooney. Still, when looking at people who have taken at least ten of them, Steven Gerrard and his groin rank as the seventh worst penalty taker in league action over the past twelve years, hitting 14 of 20 from the spot for a rather uninspiring 70% conversion rate. It’s a little surprising on the surface, as most fans would think of Gerrard as cool and composed when taking penalties, but the reality is that when it comes to regular takers Liverpool’s captain is hardly Mister Automatic.

* The Guardian has been on a bit of a roll lately when it comes to substandard football coverage, from their laughable commentary on Ian Ayre’s talk of overseas television rights to Suarezgate and on through Paul Wilson dubbing Sebastian Coates’ entire performance against Stoke on Wednesday “hapeless.” It’s an exploration of new territory for a paper that in recent years has been one of the most fair and even-handed sources of information for those with Liverpool leanings, but for those looking for something to help pass the time on a Friday morning it’s still well worth the time to head over and learn about the now largely forgotten English Super Cup. Once the obligatory introductory shot at greedy Ian Ayre and Liverpool is out of the way, it becomes a story of the steps England’s FA took after their clubs were banned from European competition following Heysel.

Six clubs, including Liverpool, had qualified for Europe for the 1985-86 season, but the ban rendered their efforts in the previous campaign immaterial and Everton, who were the league champions, were denied a place in the European Cup; to say they weren’t best pleased with their Merseyside neighbours would be an understatement. Football fans don’t forget. They still haven’t forgiven them.

Not to worry though, because the Football League was soon to come up with a bright idea: instead of playing European football, the six clubs would instead take part in a domestic tournament called the Super Cup as a form of financial and sporting compensation. Everton would have been in the European Cup, Liverpool, Southampton and Tottenham had qualified for the Uefa Cup via the league and Norwich as League Cup winners, while Manchester United would have been in the Cup Winners’ Cup as FA Cup holders.

After a scrambled conception it was hardly smooth sailing, with struggles to find sponsors and broadcasters preceding a competition that would be played to mostly half-empty stadium while seeing little interest from the wider public. In the end, Everton would get a chance to gain some measure of revenge for being barred from Europe when they faced Liverpool in a two-legged final. They wouldn’t manage it, falling 7-2 on aggregate to the only ever winners of England’s long gone and largely unlamented Super Cup. Perhaps a cheeky “Come Back When You’ve Won the English Super Cup” banner for the club’s next visit to Old Trafford is in order.

Ed will be around to prepare you for the Hodgpocalypse in a little bit, but in the meantime, while you hope that it’s only Luis Suarez who finds any kind of Liverpool-related redemption this week…


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  • Suarez from the car park...

    What's a good penalty record?  Who's got one?

  • We have already dropped twelve points from 27.  Represented as a grade that is an F.  We have to get maximum points from the next two matches.

  • Wow, you're right. That's only 1.667 points per game. We gotta get it above 2!

  • Suarez from the car park...

    extrapolated for the season, it's 60 points.  A little worse than a few games ago though still an improvement on last season if not significantly.

    We may not get much of an improvement this side of New Year but I'm banking on improved results in the 2nd half of the season.

    Doesn't look like it can be better than 4th, but it's going to be a close run thing for that coveted spot - Arsenal are nearly back in it.

  • Tom Foolery

    After the Everton game, I had been wondering if Dirk was...well, used to be...Liverpool's Mister Automatic from the spot. I didn't remeber him missing a penalty prior to that one, am I wrong?

  • he had never missed one in english football before that

  • Mbaez913

    Seems like Suarez is in doubt for Saturday, picking up an ankle knock against Stoke. If Suarez is used as a sub, i can't even imagine the formations KK & SC would dream up.

  • NotTooXabi

    ...............Fuc
    ...............kOf
                  fRoy
                  Car
                  roll
    Dow   GerrardKuyt
    Ning AdamLucasLevia
      EnriqueAggerKelly
            PepeCarra

    How's that?

  • Suarez from the car park...

    drunken

  • JPR

    Newspapers reporting Dalglish and Comolli may be targeting Newcastle's Coloccini for a January move. Newcastle would no doubt again be looking for a big transfer fee considering it's the January window. Would we need him in January or could we wait till the summer? Kelly can slot in CB, no?

  • That story doesn't really make any sense.  Collocini is out of a contract in the summer so hopefully it has something to do with that.  Liverpool do need a CB but I don't really see how Collocini fits in as anything other than cover 

  • JPR

    The few times I've watched Newcastle, I thought he was pretty unimpressive. But, I don't watch them much. Next 5 games look for the Geordies to take 1 or 2 points. Stoke (A), Everton (H), City, United Chelsea. Next 4 games look for us to take 12. WBA,SWA,CHE (A),MCY (H). Report card time.

  • Latortillablanca

    a move for collocini is the anti-thesis of fsg/dc transfer strategy...  12 points from those 4 fixtures and ill eat my hat.  happily, i might add.

  • Suarez from the car park...

    I'll provide the ketchup. 

  • JPR

    Yea. Probably. He's 29 yrs old and on $80,000/wk wages at Newcastle and his fee was $10 mil pounds in 2008, and Pardew is trying to negotiate a new 4 year deal with him. His current contract expires 2013. Nov 27th. Save the date and keep the hat safe. I'll remember because it's my birthday and we play City. 

  • Suarez from the car park...

    Ashley/Pardew have been getting rid of players like Barton and getting lower wage recruits in (successfully, Pardew picks good players), so I'm surprised, but then it's worth having a very experienced CB.

  • Poor Newcastle.  They're like our pantry for new players.

  • JPR

    City has the Arsenal. We have Newcastle. Chelsea has us. United has the Glazers. Oh well.

  • "Chelsea has us" I winced in pain as I read that, but sadly you're right. Torres, Benayoun, Meireles. Bah.

  • Latortillablanca

    crazy that bout stevie... my revisionist memory only allows me to recall the ones that go in apparently...

  • Suarez from the car park...

    So what's a good penalty record?

  • redrk

    its because the ones go in are most important ones...

  • kenny

    This place is my home.

  • I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

  • Ryan

    But remember, Gerrard only misses penalties to get shitty managers fired. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    The way you manage to relate videos to your posts is outstanding. 

    That penalty information is quite interesting. What really determines who is the best penalty taker? It can't be just "who's the best" at them.. I mean, have Real Madrid ever seen Xabi Alonso take a penalty kick? 

    and heh, Michael Owen...

  • I do what I can. But really, the end of Hodgson's time at the club led to some... strange things. And I'm not just talking about how I resorted to Into Africa parables with John Henry in an unbilled supporting role.

  • Suarez from the car park...
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