Glen Johnson Makes Clean Interception, Escapes Unpunished

By: Noel | January 12th, 2012
   
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By the standards used to judge recent red-carded tackles like Vincent Kompany’s against Manchester United and Jay Spearing’s against Fulham, on Wednesday night Glen Johnson at the very least put himself in a position where seeing red was a very real possibility. Maybe even the most likely possibility. Importantly, though, there were a pair of key differences between Johnson’s sliding effort and similar recent tackles: Unlike Kompany he was going for a loose ball instead of making a tackle on a nearby player, and unlike Spearing he made no contact with that nearby player in the course of his lunging slide to intercept the ball before it reached Joleon Lescott.

Of course, that it wasn’t actually the same sort of tackle—or really a tackle at all—as the one that saw Kompany pick up a four-match ban for his second red of the season is a very different question than whether Johnson or any other player is likely see red for such a two-footed, sliding interception attempt. And from that point of view, the answer is almost certainly yes in the current climate, even if Steven Gerrard is entirely right to call out Roberto Mancini’s hypocritical approach to complaining Johnson didn’t see red after insisting his own player shouldn’t have received one in their last match. Some may argue that player protection and smoothing out the rougher edges of the game has been taken too far in recent seasons, but regardless of where one stands on such questions the reality is that there has been a concerted effort to stamp out anything seen as even potentially dangerous.

Johnson may have been in control of his slide, and, as he got it right, Lescott likely wasn’t in any real danger—in pictures of the event, you can in fact see Lescott kicking the back of Johnson’s legs once he’s slid past. But the Liverpool player did have the studs of both feet showing as he slid in, and Lescott would have been in danger of picking up a serious injury had Johnson gotten his aim wrong by a couple of inches or allowed a trailing leg to hang out and wrap around Lescott’s nearby ankle. And in the current climate, having both sets of studs showing within ten yards of an opponent would likely be enough—more often than not, at least—to see referee Lee Mason brandish red.

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It would have been harsh on Johnson if he had, just as it was harsh on both Spearing and Kompany that they saw red in recent weeks for tackles that to many seemed worthy of yellow at worst. Yet no Liverpool fan watching would have been especially surprised had Mason blown his whistle and gone to his pocket to fish out red. Even if the reality of it was a clean interception that made no dangerous contact with the opponent, in light of recent precedent neither Johnson nor Liverpool’s coaching staff would have had room to argue a red be overturned if it had been handed out. Not in a Premier League where no matter if you agree with it or not you generally know that such actions will be punished severely.

Though despite Roberto Mancini and the press latching on to Johnson’s “tackle” as the story of an at times painfully dull match, the Liverpool defender’s sliding interception wasn’t even the most potentially dangerous two-footed lunge that took place across the ninety minutes. In fact, the incident most likely to cause damage to an opponent took place within the first ten minutes, when an energetic Andy Carroll charged deep into his own half in search of the ball as it went to Gael Clichy on the touchline. On the wet Ethiad turf, Carroll slipped as he prepared to attempt a tackle, and instead of sliding in under control he whipped inches past Clichy in an entirely uncontrolled manner. He had both feet out, both sets of studs exposed, and his legs certainly weren’t tight together and on the ground.

There was little dangerous intent in that tackle, but it was just as surely the most reckless and dangerous of the match, and far more likely to do damage had he made contact than Jay Spearing’s uncontrolled clatter into Fulham’s Moussa Dembele that saw him earn red in December. Whether referee Lee Mason simply has a slightly different outlook on the game than many these days or whether there has been talk behind the scenes at the FA of being less free with the handing out of red cards after the criticism of recent weeks is an open question, but that Carroll’s uncontrolled slide went completely unpunished was an early signal that on this day at least, a controlled and technically legal effort like Johnson’s late in the match—with the studs showing but not towards any opposing player—was likely to be allowed.

Despite the not entirely surprising latest round of Liverpool-related press hysterics, it wasn’t a tackle as there was never any intent to separate Lescott from a ball he didn’t have in the first place. And it clearly wasn’t a red card—if nothing else then because on the day Lee Mason was in a slightly less card-happy mood than many officials of late and didn’t see it as worthy of any card. But most evenings it would have at least seen a card of some colour, and a similar incident involving a Liverpool player against Stoke on Saturday or any other future opponent would mean a very good chance that there will be. Right or wrong, it’s the reality the players operate within—and they and the coaches all know it. Johnson’s sliding interception was inch-perfect, but regardless of that he was lucky to escape unpunished, and chances are that the day after he well knows it.


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  • Mike

    Yeeeeaaaahhh Stevie G!!!!!

  • “When I first saw it (Kompany's), I thought it was a great tackle,” Former Man U Midfielder Butt told BBC Radio 5 live. “I think it’s the law that’s wrong, not the referee. He [Kompany] clearly got the ball and didn’t try to hurt the lad.”

    I don’t think the law is wrong.

    “Careless”, “reckless” and “using excessive force” defined:

    “Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.
    • No further disciplinary sanction is needed if a foul is judged to be careless

    “Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent.
    • A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned

    “Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.
    • A player who uses excessive force must be sent off

    “Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with EXCESSIVE FORCE and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play”

    Did Kompany far exceed the necessary use of force?
    http://malawi.worldcupblog.org...

    Did Glen Johnson "lunge at an opponent"? I don't think so.

  • poorscouserbobby

    word. 

  • KC

    The issue I have here is not whether either tackle deserved a card but that if Mancini wanted to complain, don't complain about our players. Complain about referees. I don't know why people seem to be bagging out Glen Johnson when the real problem here is the inconsistencies with refereeing. But to be honest, as bad as this sounds, Glen Johnson didn't get a card and got no ban (and won't be getting one right?) so its one less thing I'm going to worry myself about.

  • Geoff Twentyman

    When you swing your leg to get the ball and connect, there is no foul.  

    When you swing your leg to get the ball and connect with a player, whether intentionally or not, it is a foul.  

    A two footed challenge when your off the ground can be dangerous and so when a challenge like this involves another player, it must be punished.

    If it doesn't involve another player, then there is no foul.

    If the other player gets cleaned up on the follow through ala Spearing, then I can see the justification for punishment  undertaking an off the ground challenge with two feet is deemed as dangerous, so if contact is made whether at impact or after impact with the ball, then that could be seen to constitute dangerous play.

    In this case where Johnson gets to the ball first and slides past the other player with the other player coming towards ball but too late, then there is clearly no foul.

  • prad

    agreed. 

  • Red2death

    Thing is, you can't always evaluate an action based on its outcome. 
    (and I'm sure there's some philosophical Latin term for this - anyone?)

    It's like if I did a flying kick near your head but missed, that doesn't absolve me of all guilt just because there was no contact.  And it doesn't matter that maybe I was trying to get the ball.  And it doesn't matter that I'm a karate black belt and can do a perfect flying kick without injuring you.  The fact is, a high boot is dangerous play and it can't be allowed if we're to have a decent, fair game of football.  If I was allowed to keep doing it with impunity, every defender would be running scared of me and I'd have a very easy time indeed.

    Under normal circumstances the general rule does apply that if there's contact it's a foul and if there isn't, it isn't.  But in cases where contact could result in serious injury, there has to be an additional level of safety.  Of course that requires refs to implement, and sadly they're not too competent at it sometimes. That's where the downfall is.

  • http://www.footytube.com/video... Highlights of the semi final for anyone who missed the game or simply wants to relive the glory! Beating City away is nothing to be sneezed at , well done Reds

  • Geoff Twentyman

    Sorry to hijack this post for transfer talk, but Pato has just refused a 28m euro (23m pound) move to PSG - Surely if we can raise 20m pounds for Downing, we could find the cash for this kid?

  • jpr

    Alexandre Pato would be a tremendous acquisition for us, if he would consider a move to England. The gossip is that he is happy in Milan and his girlfriend is Berluconi's daughter Barbara who is also an AC Milan board member and may even be pregnant with his child. There are even rumours that Silvio may have personally blocked the move. I hope the FA doesn't read these comments, I could be in a lot of trouble for mentioning this gossip. Probably a 15 article ban for me.

  • Geoff Twentyman

    Contact Lucas via twitter and get him to do a sales job - Milan/Liverpool - they're both in the north!

  • jpr

    Good idea. Lucas could sell him. Imagine two world class Brazilians and the only two Brazilians who can't dance on the same team.

    Presumably Barbara would also move to Liverpool. Silvio would surely visit frequently to see his daughter and grandchild. I'm sure you've heard, Silvio throws some "kick ass" parties. Just what the doctor ordered for Big Andy to get him firing again. A couple of Silvio's "bunga-bunga" parties. Don't tell Kenny!

  • redtrev73

    Horrible Future Scenario; 

    ANDY: Way-Aye man! Ahm goin doon ta Silvioh's bunga bunga pawty...u comin' or what? 

    STEWY: Cannae go man. Ah've still got this police ankle tag on for bein a twat wot (ALLEGEDLY) fights wimmen when ahm bladdered like... 

    (of course the horrible part is that both lads are at LFC in the future...and I'm not fully joking here...)

  • jpr

    I feeeeeel your pain Trev.

  • Geoff Twentyman

    I LAUGHED OUT LOUD AT THE SOUND THAT THE WORDS BUNGA BUNGA MAKE WHEN YOU SPEAK THEM OUT LOUD

  • heitz11

    Here's a link to Kompany's tackle. It's an extremely clumsy tackle, his feet are wide apart both studs straight at Nani. Hardly the same situation. In Johnson's case if he doesn't slide two footed his back foot may get Wescott before he get's the ball.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/vid...

  • purify_the_body

    Thanks for the video. It's a superb tackle by Kompany.

    Why does England consistently have the worst refereeing of any league? It's shocking how often English refs are the decisive factors in matches, with controversial judgments -- more than anywhere else by far.

  • ejbauer11

    Agreed that it was a superb tackle by arguably best defender in the league at the moment. I don't want a return to what I watched as a child, but I hope more referees gain the ability to exercise discretion and not merely follow the letter of the law.

  • heitz11

    It's a clean tackle but the potential danger of the tackle isn't equivilent to that of Johnson's. Nani made a good move to hurdle him, but if he takes a step to the side and Kompany's other foot catches him since they're spread apart, then you get a potentially serious injury.

    Also as Kenny pointed out, Johnson's studs weren't at the player while Kompany's were. I agree it's a yellow at most for Kompany.

  • Suarez from the car park...

    scissor tackle, considered dangerous as it traps the player if he doesn't skip out of it.
    Johnson's wasn't even a tackle really, went for the loose ball as said, controlled, deliberately feet together not dangling wide to trap the player and he's so early to it that Lescott's foot makes contact with the back of his thigh and then his backside.Try telling that to the trolls on the media blogs though. 

  • kenny

    Gerrard signed a new contract today which is pretty sweet

  • Suarez from the car park...

    It certainly is, given we're at the start of rebuilding, haven't bought amazingly well, and must fight to even get into CL positions.

    At this stage of his career it would be hard to fault him for going to a big club elsewhere if he's young enough to be considered by a big club.

  • kenny

    I'm hoping with this people will see (outside of and in LFC) him and be like, "Hey this guy still got it, I wanna play with him." It's possible some of his stature could attract players .

  • kenny

    not some, all of his stature

  • Red2death

    Noel, how do you manage to write so much based on so little?  Amazing.

    Though with regards to Mancini's complaint, I'd have to side with him rather than Gerrard on this one.  Kompany's tackle was as clean as Johnson's.  It's either both get a red or both don't.  But we all know that consistency is too high a bar for the FA to reach, so I guess Mancini will have to live with it.  He's from the wrong side of Manchester to expect any favours.  

  • OptimistLFC

    Red2death, dont jump to conclution, i advise you to read the article or maybe watch a couple of more times at the graphic image above..

    i dont know why mancini was moaning about a stoppage time tackle that perhaps wont have an effect to change the match but more on to pile pressure on liverpool just like he did pre-match talkin about suarez and all that..  he isn't  my fav coaches and the guy completely contradict himself he was the one wavin imaginary red card on skrtel the other day.. he's full of bullocks!
     kenny and co were great with the tactics and liverpool thoroughly deserved to be on the final after so many away and tough fixtures.. silverware and top 4 finish will be Fantastic!! YNWA.

  • Momo

    "It's either both get a red or both don't.  But we all know that
    consistency is too high a bar for the FA to reach, so I guess Mancini
    will have to live with it.  He's from the wrong side of Manchester to
    expect any favours."

    Had I heard it live from you it would've been honey to ear.Do you have another bee stick? I hate manure Management and I pretty much despise the FA.

  • Red2death

    Thank you Momo.  I sometimes come up with them.  Occasionally without alcohol too.  There's too much inspiration around this league.

  • I have issues with Brevity. Don't like him one little bit.

    And like Kenny said, I think direction is a key difference—like I rambled about, Johnson was sliding in front of Lescott and his studs never faced the City player rather than engaging in an actual tackle as Kompany did. Though I don't think either is a red card.

  • Red2death

    I got the directional difference.  Though to me the question is still, in both cases, whether the FA chooses to tolerate dangerous (but clean) tackles or not.  

    What it all comes down to is the decision to rule out potentially dangerous play regardless of the eventual consequence.  Even though they're going in different directions, you could say that both tackles are basically two-footed lunges that, if mistimed, could have resulted in a serious injury.  That both were perfectly timed and both won the ball cleanly with no harm to the opponent doesn't negate the potential for harm if Kompany or Johnson one day happened to fall short of perfection.  That's probably not something that the FA can allow.  

    So, for the FA it's not so much punishing a foul that wasn't really a foul, but a matter of allowing fair play, and this is why -

    When a player like Lescott is chasing a loose ball and he glimpses his opponent jumping in with both feet towards it, he has a choice: 

    1) Go for the ball anyway and possibly win it, but get injured; or 
    2) Hold back and concede possession.  

    Given those options, he's always going to choose to back out if he can.  That leaves the person doing the tackling at an advantage - ie. If I go in with a strong enough challenge, the other guy will be forced to hold back and let me win the ball.  That's an unfair advantage that he can milk repeatedly until the FA imposes some penalty on that kind of challenge.  

    Of course it's in the execution of such a rule that the FA falls flat on its face.  There needs to be some consistency and there isn't.  An couple inches either way and both tackles could have ended up very badly.  So, some sort of deterrent is due.  Either both yellow, or both red, or whatever it is the FA decide on.  But not different treatments.

  • Antonio

    Red2death, I fully agreed what you mention.
    I think everything happen very fast in football, and ref look from different angle may affect their decision, also the reaction of the receiving player (some are great actor).
    Whatever decision in forum, fans tend to be bias on the team they support. In a neutral point of view, I do not think Kompany deserve a Red, but since his suspension mean he will miss Liverpool game, then I will have no complain. For Johnson, he is a Liverpool player, I tend to think he tackle was clean, though 2 legged.
    A receiving player can jump off when he knew he will got injury, but sometime it happen very fast or tackle from behind which trying to avoid is difficult. But in any case, it should not may the tackler less guilty even opponent did not get injury.

  • Suarez from the car park...

    I'm not convinced.  

    the rule is about being in control.  Kompany would struggle to justify that as he does a scissor lunge and is likely to trap Nani in between his legs.Johnson was basically so early, Lescott wasn't even there.

  • Red2death

    I guess that's where the ref's interpretation would come in.

    Kompany would tell you he was completely in control.  He knows what he's doing, was going for the ball alone and got it.

    Johnson would say the same thing.  Slid in, but was never in any doubt that he'd get there way before Lescott.  

    Both professionals, both very good at what they do, and both would tell you they were in total control of the situation throughout.

    Question is, does the ref agree?  In Kompany's case, no.  In Johnson's case, yes.  And if you put a different ref there, or even the same ref on a different day, or perhaps with different teams, or perhaps at a different stage of the match, I can see the decisions being completely switched.  That's my point about execution.  That's where the FA falls short.  

  • McrRed

    I think as soon as "if" is mentioned the ref can commute the red to a yellow. 

    As in, "if" he'd have mistimed that then someone could have been hurt or "if" he'd been further to the left then that would have broke his ankle...

  • kenny

    Kompany was more straight on into Nani. It did look as there was not much impact to hurt anyone because Nani barely flinched, but it still was visible

  • McrRed

    I also think refs can wait to see how much actual damage is caused by the foul before showing their colours: 

    for instance, player N is writhing around on the floor? 
    ...wait and see if he's subbed before giving a red...

    player N jumps up after a bit of playacting? 
    ...turn with all the gravitas you can muster and proudly display the yellow

    How hard can it be?

  • Red2death

    Yup, that's true.

    Replied to Noel on that.  I guess impact isn't the point though, it's more the potential for harm rather than the actual result of the challenge.

    To take it to an extreme, it's like saying it's ok for me to fire a gun on the pitch, as long as I don't actually hit anyone.  Yea, people are just going to get out of the way.  They aren't going to trust my aiming any more than they'll trust Kompany or Johnson to execute a perfectly timed tackle every single time =)

  • Suarez from the car park...

    oooh, can we shoot players now?  might be easier than finding the next Gerrard....

  • kenny

    Good words, good point. In these two situations it's seen as more of an intent thing from the people spectating. In both games there were two different referees also. Everything is a factor, different directions of the tackle, positiong, time, etc. 

    But firing the gun is a good metaphor. Whatever is, it's not right to take advantage and keep doing something because you know other people will avoid you because you can harm then. 

    But I'm still happy for the tackle Johnson made because I love him. Just next time he should slide in with one foot so we can avoid this confrontation. 

    It was something that had to be done, he knew Lescott wouldn't commit, and he wouldn't intend any harm. Last few minutes just to show that Liverpool is serious business.

    I've watched that tackle over 30 times today

  • McrRed

    Did someone mention Ashley Cole?

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