Who would you take?

By: ed | September 6th, 2007

It’s been kind of hard to think of something to write for today’s post. Come to think of it, it’s been really hard to write anything, full stop. That’s because of the can of worms Adam opened up over the Gerrard Lampard debate are crawling (metaphorically) over my key board.

Which got me thinking. Clearly the one player from their rivals that Chelsea would love to have (and would pay more for and give higher wages than Lampard to) is Steven George Gerrard. They tried to buy him in both 2004 and 2005 – even getting him to announce, and then renege on, he would be leaving Liverpool.

So who is the one player Liverpool would want from our rivals? And which one of our players do our rivals covet? Here’s my list – comments, conversation and debate are all welcome.

For the purposes of brevity, I’m counting our rivals as Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton and Manchester Utd. I’m putting them in alphabetical order just so people don’t the wrong idea I’m prioritizing one over the other.

Arsenal

Who we want – The Gunners have an embarrassment of riches in midfield, with Fabregas, Rosicky and the underrated Hleb alongside Gilberto (o-o-oh) Silva and Flamini. The problem is; so do we. I may take Fabregas, but would his potential get him into the best central midfield in the world (see video for the requisite chant)?

No, what we need right now is a central defender and they have one of the outstanding defenders in the Premiership, Kolo Toure. I’d take the big Ivorian over the young Spaniard.

Who they want – For a team nicknamed the Gunners, Arsenal are woefully short on fire-power up front. They wouldn’t mess about; they’d do just about anything to have Torres playing at Ashburton Grove.

Chelsea

Who we want – like I said, we need defenders but Terry and Carra are too similar to play together and while Carvalho is a good player, he would give me conniptions if he had to partner Sami at the back. Even though he’s unproven in the Premier League, I’d probably take Alex off their hands. The only other guys I was thinking about were Drogba or Essien. Drogba is an obvious no because the fans hate him and I’m not convinced Essien is that much of an upgrade over Mascherano or Alonso. Plus, he’d be wasted at centre back…

Who they want – Gerrard and Torres as a reliable partner for Drogba. But probably still Gerrard. Definitely Gerrard to play alongside Essien and Mikel.

Everton

Who we want – I actually had to check the Everton squad for this one. Arteta is a great player and he’d fit into the squad nicely – not sure he’d get a game though. Cahill is just a nasty piece of work and while Joleon Lescott is looking good this season, I think he’s a season away from being seriously considered so I’d take Yobo. He’s an absolute brute at the back and, from what I’ve seen, more skillful than I first realized.

Who they want – let’s face it, who wouldn’t they want. Our squad is miles ahead of theirs from a physical and technical perspective. Let’s say they’d want our best player and have done with it. They’d take Gerrard. Mind you, they need a creative left winger…

Manchester Utd

Who we want – Defender, defender, defender. No way I could stomach having Rio Ferdinand at the club but Nemanja Vidic has impressed me recently. I don’t think there’s anyone else…

Who they want – Fergie has long and openly coveted both Torres and Gerrard but after spanking a large wedge of cash on Owen “Headless Chicken” Hargreaves and Michael “Can only pass sideways” Carrick, I think he’d rather have Torres.

I’m interested to hear what you guys think – who would you like to have from our rivals and if you support a rival club, who would you take from our squad?



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  • Sam |  September 6th, 2007 at 9:33 pm

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    Umm…well, we may have depth issues at the back, but we’re still pretty strong back there. And it’s pretty clear to me that our weakest spot is the right wing (even though Pennant has proven himself to be decent). And Man United happen to have the best right winger in the world…hmmm…who to choose?

    Also, Drogba would be beautiful with Torres (Though I think Essien is better all around), Lescott would be better than Yobo because we’d like another player that can play LB as well (and Arteta is better than any of our wingers even if he’s not a true winger), and I agree that Fabregas wouldn’t fit at Liverpool and we’d be better off with Toure.

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  • Adam |  September 6th, 2007 at 11:58 pm

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    Ed,
    Let me clarify this Chelsea only wanted Gerrard to play as second fiddle to Lampard. And I’m sure have they got Gerrard in 2004 they Jose would have worked midfield out of Lampard and Gerrard. And Essien wouldnt have been in picture at all. Lampard is more kind of “ideal” attacking midfielder who with his late runs can create havoc. Where as Gerrard is more kind of box to box player much in mold of Essien (but Essien is more versatile). So Lampard would have definitely be given freedom to roam at his will where as Gerrard would have been playing in Essien’s role i.e. sitting at the top of defense.

    Now I’m sure you’ll be asking why then Ballack was bought. If player like Ballack’s quality is coming free of cost then anyone would be taking him in squad. Also from merchandise point of view it is more useful. Ballack was played last season even though he was ordinary since Essien played most of the time in defense. Had Essien played in midfield Im sure Jose would have preferred Lampard and Essien combo.

    Chelsea doesnt want Gerrard now even if he comes free thats a bottom line. If I’m given choice of any Liverpool player then I wont buy any. We have better midfield than you guys. Just its in the mode of gelling with new formation that we have adapted. I would certainly love to have ex-scouser Michael Owen (even though he is injured most of the time) in Chelsea thoug :P.

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  • Adam |  September 7th, 2007 at 12:04 am

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    And I’m curious to know why did you choose Gerrard with Mikel or Essien. Is it due to Lampard jealousy?

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  • yowie11 |  September 7th, 2007 at 9:21 am

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    i think it seems pretty obvious he didnt pair lampard with gerrard beacuse they obviously dont work well together. it seems that wen lampard plays with gerrard, gerrard is forced to sit back and let lampard do the attacking, which didnt work out for england at all. lampard only wrks with a drogba like player who holds up the ball to then one-two tap it to lampard. but i like essien though. he seems more beasty than mascherano. and vidic and toure are class too.

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  • ed |  September 7th, 2007 at 11:56 am

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    Melvin - i just don’t think essien would fit into the system rafa is building as well as you do. he is an awesome player and i’d rather play with him than against him, but in this case, i’m going to pass.

    sam - i like the way pennant and babel are developing and don’t think we need any more wingers. babel, riise, pennant, benayoun, aurelio, gerrard - all these guys can do a great job on the wing while vidic shores us up at the back.

    adam -

    1. i’ve never seen gerrard and lampard play well together

    2. gerrard is club captain and our touchstone.

    1+2=3

    3. We need a defender and someone to improve the squad - alex is that guy. it has nothing to do with lampard jealousy.

    i’ve said what a good player i think lampard is, on the same post you used the phrase “muppet gerrard” - something that seriously damaged your credibility. personally, i think if you are serious about calling gerrard a muppet, you shouldn’t be reading, let alone writing, a football blog.

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  • Adam |  September 7th, 2007 at 1:01 pm

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    Ed,
    I just said in response to your “fat” analogy to Lampard. And I just couldn’t figure out that why everyone calls him fat where as he comes in bottom 3 in Chelsea’s fattest players. I told you in 1st post, there will be some of small squabbles. Never mind.

    In jealousy point I was referring that you chose Mikel/Essien to team up with Gerrard if he played for Chelsea instead of Lampard.

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  • Adam |  September 7th, 2007 at 1:04 pm

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    And just as a suggestion when posting internal links of your blog, just first copy them without logging in then point to copied link. Because whenever I clicked the links you mentioned they take me to Liverpool Blog Login page (since link contains wp-admin part in it coz you copied the link when you were logged in). Just click on these links after you log out you will also face similar problem.

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  • Anthony |  September 7th, 2007 at 7:03 pm

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    As a Man City fan (pauses so everyone can point and laugh) we could use a good winger I’d probably take Babel. Liverpool would no doubt take richards.

    Also I think Chelsea would want Finnan. Oh and as a neutral Gerrard is far better than lampard who isn’t fat, just shit.

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  • Sam |  September 7th, 2007 at 7:22 pm

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    Okay, let me get this straight…because Pennant has gone from a crappy to decent player and he’s still improving that means we don’t the need the best freaking player in the world at clearly our weakest position?! Ronaldo is one of the 4-7 best at any position. Look, I’m a Liverpool man through and through, but even I can see that Ronaldo is at least as good as Gerrard and a lot younger. With Gerrard, Ronaldo and Torres, we could play freaking Sebastian Leto (or even Paletta!) at center back and still win most of the games we played. Vidic is good. Ronaldo is world class.

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  • DRaco |  September 8th, 2007 at 6:22 am

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    I wouldn’t take C. Ronaldo no matter how many Premier League Player of the Year awards he’ll get. It’s LFC and we want players like Carra, Gerrard, Kuyt, Mascherano, Mommo… players who would give their last breath for the team. Not players who dive, cheat and cry or are to bussy checking their hair-look to defend.
    Chelsea - Joe Cole. I hate him for all his goals against us but he could be our left winger.
    Arsenal - Toure.
    Manchs - nobody. Simply.
    Everton - don’t think they have anyone who could become more then just bench player at LFC.

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  • Mark |  September 8th, 2007 at 7:16 am

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    Arsenal - I agree, Toure would be great.
    Chelsea - Drogba
    Everton - Lescott
    Mancs - Have to disagree, definitely would take Ronaldo

    And Adam, you said in the same post that “If player like Ballack’s quality is coming free of cost then anyone would be taking him in squad” and then you said, “Chelsea doesnt want Gerrard now even if he comes free”.

    WTF?

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  • Adam |  September 8th, 2007 at 11:36 am

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    Mark,
    I said we already got Essien thats why I will not take Gerrard even if its free. And Ballack has more global appeal (may be because he is captain of German National Team which is quite well known in world), if we are going to solely merchandise issue.

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  • Dave |  September 8th, 2007 at 12:38 pm

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    The whole topic is typical of Anfield arrogance. Still living on memories from the eighties.

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  • JohnDoe |  September 8th, 2007 at 12:56 pm

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    United - Ronaldo as much a I dislike him.Great playmaker
    Chelsea - Terry
    Everton - Lescott obviously who else?
    Arsenal - Toure or pair RVP with Torres would be nice too

    Adam WTF? your hate for Liverpool and Stevie is starting to blind your football judgment.You can’t find a manager on this planet that would say no to having Stevie on their squad.Let alone getting him on a free.

    Dave your an idiot

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  • Mark |  September 9th, 2007 at 1:24 am

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    Adam, I can kind of see where you’re coming from. It would also probably harm squad morale as one of the players would have to sit on the bench.

    However, I would still take Gerrard. You could play something like a 4-2-2-2, with Essien and Mikel sitting deep, and Gerrard and Lampard forward. If you signed Alves, him and Ashley Cole could provide the width as attacking full backs.

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  • reuben |  September 9th, 2007 at 3:11 am

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    Aw man. This post has generated some brilliant debate, but to be honest why the hell would you not take Ronaldo?

    Perfect for our right wing, so Pennant can take his sub-standard crossing to the reserves. As for Everton, I’d definitely take Lescott for our defence as back-up. And from Chelsea I’d steal Joe Cole for our left wing. From, Arsenal, I don’t know, maybe Van Persie to go with Torres, or Toure to cover for Carragher.

    Chelsea - J. Cole
    Man Utd - Ronaldo
    Everton - Lescott
    Arsenal - Van Persie

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  • syahid ali |  September 9th, 2007 at 4:59 am

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    i would take peter cech to anfield any day if possible.

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  • Adam |  September 9th, 2007 at 9:03 am

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    Mark,
    But then there will be no width. Last season Cheslea lacked width when Jose tried to crunch Lamps, Ballack, Essien (initial part of season when he regularly played in midfield) and Maka/Mikel in midfield. And thats why he had to rely on long ball strategy. Hence results were extremely difficult and perhaps most of them were boring too.

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  • ed |  September 9th, 2007 at 11:10 am

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    two quick points -

    the last thing liverpool need is another ‘keeper. we already have the “golden glove” winner of most clean sheets in the last two seasons (reina) plus england’s likely number one in a few years (scott carson). cech is a great goalie, but the need isn’t there at the moment.

    how you can call ballack a “free” transfer when he was signed on $270k a week plus an undisclosed signing bonus is beyond me. that’s more than both lampard and gerrard earn - sure there wasn’t a standard transfer fee associated with him but he certainly wasn’t free!

    not sure why pennant is attracting so much ire recently - he’s been one of the teams most consistent players over the last 8 months. i’d rather have him than the diving, snarling teddy bear look-a-like joe cole.

    dave - i’m pretty sure you don’t know what arrogance is. asking which of our rivals’ players we’d like to have would actually be called ‘humility” which, if you didn’t know, is the exact opposite of arrogance.

    so that was more than two points! and far from quick…

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  • ding dong |  September 9th, 2007 at 12:13 pm

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    “” Lampard has matured since 2000 when he was caught up in an alleged sex-tape scandal with Rio Ferdinand and Kieron Dyer in the resort of Ayia Napa in Cyprus “”

    Lol Lol shitty FAT fking lampard

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  • ding dong |  September 9th, 2007 at 12:29 pm

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    source : “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampard”

    when it comes to serious football, Gerrard is much more creative in the mid field than Lampard(no wonder Jose wanted him so much!) , Lampard is not that good in giving long aerial and defence splitting passes forward.

    But lampard would score more goals himself in the box when set-up by players like Drogba , essien unlike gerrard who wouldnt like running into the box more often.

    who’s best ?

    In my view mid fielder’s job is to create chances, and setup the other forward players , that’s why many managers and players consider Gerrard more suited to their team(remember deco and many players naming gerrard as the best player from league)

    and also, compare both the teams liverpoll and chelsea.
    Chelsea is far more superior team than that of Liverpool, so much for a player like Gerrard that he should be playing in a much better team, and the best midfield in the world talk is absolute trash.what about Barca ACMilan

    I wonder why Benitez keeps signing sub-standard players like Banayoun, voronin ? Even Kuyt isnt upto the standard required to play in teams like Liverpool,in the want of another Torres Eto’o N.Rooy or at least Rooney.

    Liverpool is already over achieving for its squad save for Gerrard

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  • ding dong |  September 9th, 2007 at 12:35 pm

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    and one more thing.

    Lampard doesn’t need to carry the whole club’s hopes on his shoulders like Gerrard.He is as much inspirational as a legend.Look at the finals 2005 Istanbul, 2006 FA cup final.

    Lampard just have to worry about his game nothing else, he has more than enough others to worry about the rest!!

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  • Mark |  September 9th, 2007 at 12:35 pm

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    Adam, I still think that two attacking full backs could give width. The defence wouldn’t suffer because of the holding pair. But, yeah, a pair of wide men would be more effective and attractive.

    Ed, hadn’t even thought about the wage aspect with Ballack. Good point. However, I’m sure Mr. Abramovich would rather just pay a high wage, rather than a high wage plus inflated transfer fee.

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  • Adam |  September 9th, 2007 at 1:48 pm

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    ding dong,
    C’mon now dont say that Lampard doesnt have to carry club’s hope. He is consistently 20 goals scorer for past 3 seasons and the most consistent player in Club as well as league.
    Gerrard no doubt is inspirational and has an instant impact when plays for Liverpool. JT is similar for Chelsea. I believe captains should always be inspirational.

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  • Mark |  September 10th, 2007 at 8:22 am

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    Ding Dong, we have the best, or at least one of the best, CENTRAL midfields in the world. Sure we haven’t really got anyone of high quality on the wings (though hopefully Babel will become high quality), but we have four top quality central midfielders.

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